1 Topic by chrl42 (edited by chrl42 2010-06-17 14:59:35)

  • Registered: 2008-11-05
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Topic: Yixing comparison: fake & original

I've found very educational photos of 2 pots supposedly made by Lu Jun Jie, one original, one fake. It demonstrates from clay, skill, stamp and overall perfection very clearly. I don't think more input needed for ppl in teadrunk to say which is fake. BTW Lu master pots are traded in China from no less than 5 grand.

http://www.fotobada.com/bongnam0/foto/link/NjczMHwwMDN8Ym9uZ25hbTB8MTg2MjU1fDEyNzY3ODY5ODF8NTAw
http://www.fotobada.com/bongnam0/foto/link/NjczMHwwMDN8Ym9uZ25hbTB8MTg2MjU3fDEyNzY3ODY4NzZ8NTAw
http://www.fotobada.com/bongnam0/foto/link/NjczMHwwMDN8Ym9uZ25hbTB8MTg2MjU2fDEyNzY3ODcwMTd8NTAw

http://www.fotobada.com/bongnam0/foto/link/NjczMHwwMDN8Ym9uZ25hbTB8MTg2MjUyfDEyNzY3ODcwNTh8NTAw
http://www.fotobada.com/bongnam0/foto/link/NjczMHwwMDN8Ym9uZ25hbTB8MTg2MjU0fDEyNzY3ODcwODB8NTAw
http://www.fotobada.com/bongnam0/foto/link/NjczMHwwMDN8Ym9uZ25hbTB8MTg2MjUzfDEyNzY3ODcwOTl8NTAw

一杯一杯復一杯
  • Registered: 2010-09-25
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Re: Yixing comparison: fake & original

Hi Charles,

Thanks for the article.

I came across a Gu JingZhou on sale for US$35,000. The question at the tip of my mind is how on earth would i know if it is genuine. There is no fake pot for comparison :) as they told me that all their products are genuine.

I did ask the question on how did they know it was genuine. They told me that their owner knows the man and used to visit China often. That is why he has a lot of his products.

Btw, he also have a lot of Jiang Rong and other Masters for sale. Again my only question is, how will i know if they are real? Is there a certification body? Or is it based on trust and reputation?

Thank you once again.

  • From: Los Angeles, CA
  • Registered: 2008-10-29
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Re: Yixing comparison: fake & original

isaac wrote:

I came across a Gu JingZhou on sale for US$35,000. The question at the tip of my mind is how on earth would i know if it is genuine. There is no fake pot for comparison :) as they told me that all their products are genuine.

I did ask the question on how did they know it was genuine. They told me that their owner knows the man and used to visit China often. That is why he has a lot of his products.

Btw, he also have a lot of Jiang Rong and other Masters for sale. Again my only question is, how will i know if they are real? Is there a certification body? Or is it based on trust and reputation?

I don't think there are too many people who could reliably authenticate such a pot, though there are plenty of people who could probably spot hallmarks of a fake (if they saw the pot in person). I don't know of an official certification body (Charlie or someone else might), but I would beware of paper certificates, which are a dime a dozen and easily forged.

Collecting Yixing requires both skepticism and a willingness to trust your own judgement. If it's ever possible to be ready to buy a US $35,000 pot, I think you will know when you get to that point -- for me, I'd want to trust the source (have purchased less expensive pots from them in the past and they have all stood the test of time), have some sort of independent "expert(s)" take a look at the pot, and also be confident that the pot is worth $35,000 to me even if it turns out that Gu Jingzhou didn't make it.

4 Reply by isaac (edited by isaac 2010-09-25 18:44:40)

  • Registered: 2010-09-25
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Re: Yixing comparison: fake & original

Thanks for your reply William.

I too felt that certificates are a dime a dozen. I have not reached the stage where i trust the vendor simply because i saw them classify a big teapot as lao zhuni and i read that lao zhuni are rarely found in big teapots. Businessmen are businessmen. However a part of me just wanted to believe.

There are a few possibilities: it is indeed genuine; it carries a genuine stamp but the teapot was made by his apprentice; it is a fake. I guess i will take my time to learn (after all, i started on this a few weeks back) and also to improve on my mandarin and read the texts. Better that than to be made a fool.

  • Registered: 2008-11-05
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Re: Yixing comparison: fake & original

No, Gu Jingzhou pot can't be sold at 35 grand..if it can, collectors in China might visit the US to earn one on their own

Or if it's not made by Gu, imitation can't be great as 35 grand either, so either way is a problem

Or if there's a pic, at least there's a chance for more ppl to see..

一杯一杯復一杯
  • Registered: 2010-09-25
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Re: Yixing comparison: fake & original

Thanks Charles. Luckily i am guided to be wiser before putting any money down.

7 Reply by isaac (edited by isaac 2010-11-15 15:25:44)

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Re: Yixing comparison: fake & original

isaac wrote:

Thanks Charles. Luckily i am guided to be wiser before putting any money down.

Not wise enough

  • Registered: 2008-11-05
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Re: Yixing comparison: fake & original

isaac wrote:
isaac wrote:

Thanks Charles. Luckily i am guided to be wiser before putting any money down.

Not wise enough

Gu Jingzhou pot is dealt in China over 100.000 usd, a problem is with 100.000 usd you have no way to buy it. Because owners won't let it out.

That's why I said Chinese collectors will visit the US, because round-trip to America won't go over 3000 usd,

一杯一杯復一杯
  • Registered: 2010-09-25
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Re: Yixing comparison: fake & original

Oh, I did not buy that Gu Jingzhou's pot. I learnt that it is better to let the more experienced buyers take that sort of risk. I admire such pots from afar :)