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1 (edited by Tieguanyin 2009-01-11 04:11:31)

Topic: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

Hello everyone,

I recently purchased a small teapot like this one made out of benshan clay. The walls are of medium thickness. I am still a little on the fence as to which tea to pair it with. I hear sheng puerh would be good. Any other suggestions?

Banter welcome :)!

Alex

Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

What kinds of teas do you drink?

I suggest you try it with all of them and pick whatever it brews best. If you're afraid of mixing teas in this way, then just be sure to rinse it out after each tea.

Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

I agree with Wes. You should experiment for yourself.
I like this color for Sheng Pu'er or green TGY, the shape looks good for sheng pu.

One or two infusions of a tea won't hurt the pot. Try it out with all your favorites.

红焙浅瓯新火活,龙团小碾斗晴窗

Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

that 粗砂 benshan..(benshan is usually 细砂 - delicate)

from experience, benshan is usually good for any type of tea. benshan is usually fired at 1200C, so it doesn't earn any blot even if brewing Shu :)

一杯一杯復一杯

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Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

chrl42 wrote:

from experience, benshan is usually good for any type of tea.

Charles, i noticed that if you use tieguanyin on duanni, it turns a darker shade of yellow. Will ben shan do the same too? For example, if you brew pu-erh, tieguanyin or white tea in ben shan luni, will it turn dark, moderately dark or remain light over the years of use?

Charles, if a teapot is made of ben shan luni but the cover is not well-fitted (meaning the craftsmanship is not that good), should i still buy it for the clay?

Thank you.


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6 (edited by admin 2010-11-09 22:26:50)

Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

isaac wrote:
chrl42 wrote:

from experience, benshan is usually good for any type of tea.

Charles, i noticed that if you use tieguanyin on duanni, it turns a darker shade of yellow. Will ben shan do the same too? For example, if you brew pu-erh, tieguanyin or white tea in ben shan luni, will it turn dark, moderately dark or remain light over the years of use?

Here's Qing dynasty's Benshan Luni used countless times

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3375/3629278470_90ca979dbf.jpg
[fixed flickr link - mod]

And Benshan Luni is really rare clay, most of Benshan on the market is actually some sort of Duanni..Benshan is a clay even masters don't dare to use often..

isaac wrote:

Charles, if a teapot is made of ben shan luni but the cover is not well-fitted (meaning the craftsmanship is not that good), should i still buy it for the clay?

Once again, real Benshan is a clay that has a keeping quality just for its existence. Many Chinese collectors argue about lid-body accuracy too, but I believe firing and clay are more important factor than mere imperfection in shape (look at Factory-1 and antique Yixings)

一杯一杯復一杯

Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

Charles,

I know that you have posted at length on ben shan luni and duanni and i have read your postings. Thank you.

If ben shan duanni is positioned as ben shan luni, then how can we tell that a teapot is made of ben shan luni? From what i see, duanni has a more opaque feel whist luni has a more translucent feel to it. In addition, luni has a glow to it that duanni does not. Is this correct?


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Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

isaac wrote:

Charles,

I know that you have posted at length on ben shan luni and duanni and i have read your postings. Thank you.

If ben shan duanni is positioned as ben shan luni, then how can we tell that a teapot is made of ben shan luni? From what i see, duanni has a more opaque feel whist luni has a more translucent feel to it. In addition, luni has a glow to it that duanni does not. Is this correct?

http://postfiles12.naver.net/data25/2008/9/23/251/xw_niliao_009_g0tg_g0tg.jpg?type=w3

that milky area is Ben Shan Lu Ni layer. Luni to Duanni is what Zhuni to Hongni. They are delicate and dense, Nenni.

Pure Luni contains high amount of silica, so has quartz-like transparancy. High-fired Luni shows bright milky white, never dark.

Below is ma pot..I seasoned it for 2-yr

http://www.fotobada.com/bongnam0/foto/link/NjczMHwwMDJ8Ym9uZ25hbTB8MTkyNjk0fDEyODk4NzcxNjR8NTAw

一杯一杯復一杯

9 (edited by isaac 2010-11-19 17:45:23)

Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

Charles, thanks for the picture.

I noticed a similar pot - supposed to be ben shan luni, same design, shows a greenish tinge, silky in look. However it has lots of black dots. Charles, is that because sand or some minerals are mixed with the ben shan luni?

I did not buy it because of two reasons: the cover shows an uneven symmetry and one portion of the body has a slight indentation in its curvature. I was told that this design requires very good technical skills to carry it off.


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Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

isaac wrote:

Charles, thanks for the picture.

I noticed a similar pot - supposed to be ben shan luni, same design, shows a greenish tinge, silky in look. However it has lots of black dots. Charles, is that because sand or some minerals are mixed with the ben shan luni?

I did not buy it because of two reasons: the cover shows an uneven symmetry and one portion of the body has a slight indentation in its curvature. I was told that this design requires very good technical skills to carry it off.

Easy, my friend.

There are tons of shi piao, tons of moulds, tons of duanni/lvni on the market and yixing.

Black dot on lvni is very natural (on high-fired), it's not the way of judging lvni's quality, quality is judged by delicacy and transprancy. Maybe you are misunderstood with low-fired lvni (yellow-ish) and Huangjin Duanni, but giving a high fire to lvni is a must to avoid accidental black dots (Tu Hei) and to give a natural luster.

BTW is lvni naturally lacks plasticity, so adding a zisha is quite common and it doesn't have to do with dishonesty :)

On the shape of my pot..I've no comment...it's mould-using (half hand-made)..also speculation differs by photos hehe..

一杯一杯復一杯

Re: Benshan "green" clay teapot and tea pairing

Thanks Charles, I learnt a lot from you