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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

Laochagui, the red on the surface looks to my untrained eyes like a high content of iron in the clay.  The clay does have some larger particles & also is Yaobian from the kiln.

Here's some chinese on shengni & shuni, I'm sure you can translate it better much than I

1st article: (from http://knowledge.shuobao.com/Web/News/16786.html)

从矿层开挖出来的紫砂泥,俗称生泥,泥似块状岩石,经堆放在露天稍事风化,待其松散,然后用锤式破碎机初碎,轮碾机粉碎,泥料过60目筛(泥料如太粗则制作费劲,如太细制作时则易黏手,且烧成后收缩比大),湿水后通过真空炼泥机捏炼,便成为供制坯用的熟泥料。谈到紫砂泥料的炼制,在五十年代以前,还是沿用明清的老方法,把晒乾捣碎的泥团围成一圈,用河水冲洗,人站在里面不停地走动、踩踏,直到泥料软硬适中;今人实难想向前人在炼制泥料是如此的辛苦、落后。到六十年代后期开始采用机械化、有雷蒙粉碎机、搅拌机、真空炼泥机。

2nd article: (from http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4e21e6d70100bu89.html)

从矿层开挖出来的紫泥矿,俗称生泥,形似块状岩石,需堆放露天进行自然风吹雨晒,使其风化松散成为颗粒,然后粉碎成细末,经目数大小不一的筛网过筛(太粗则制作费劲,太细制作时则易黏手,且烧成后收缩比大),湿水后通过真空练泥机捏练,然后包装堆放进行陈腐,时间越长越好,即成为熟泥料,就可以用来做壶了。

Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

Hi William,
You have many good collections of teapot
I like the New pear-shaped pot and 8 cup Qing Yin Zhongguo Wulong Cha shui ping pot. Especially, the last second teapot you posted.


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

danluie wrote:

You have many good collections of teapot
I like the New pear-shaped pot and 8 cup Qing Yin Zhongguo Wulong Cha shui ping pot. Especially, the last second teapot you posted.

Thanks. You are too polite. However, I know you've got a great collection, and I think we'd all rather see some pictures of your pots... how about it? :>

I think the first one is actually a 6 cup, and I've updated the description. I took some new pictures of it in better light, which I'll post below.

I'll try and post some more pictures of my own pots as I have time.


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

At the request of someone on the potsart forum (in this thread, I took a few more pictures of the pot at http://teadrunk.org/viewtopic.php?pid=347#p347
So, at the risk of boring everyone with more pics of the same pot, here they are. It does have a few of the little black spots (forget what these are properly called). Also, I'm curious what folks think of the work on the underside of the lid, which I've seen on a few of my pots - there are little concentric rings. If you click on the larger image of the third to the bottom and next to the bottom images below, you'll see what I'm talking about.

It's a fairly plain pot, but I think it is my favorite of the various auction pots I bought. I was hoping someone on the other forum might notice some dead giveaway that it was fake, but no one mentioned anything specifically.

[Click for larger image]
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_2qing_yin5.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_2qing_yin6.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_2qing_yin7.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_2qing_yin8.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_2qing_yin9.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_2qing_yin10.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_2qing_yin11.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_2qing_yin12.jpg

Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

Do you mean the concentric rings under the lip of the lid? Often people use steel filings and turn the lid round and round on the pot until the pot lid fits more closely. Often this will leave concentric rings on the lip under the lid.

红焙浅瓯新火活,龙团小碾斗晴窗

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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

LaoChaGui wrote:

Do you mean the concentric rings under the lip of the lid? Often people use steel filings and turn the lid round and round on the pot until the pot lid fits more closely. Often this will leave concentric rings on the lip under the lid.

Yeah - I was curious if this said anything about the likely date (or method) of production.

Did you get to watch (or even video) much actual pot making in Yixing?


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

While going through my grandfather's old stuff i found this little pot of unknown origin, my grandfather couldn't tell me much about it either except claiming it was as old as he was maybe older(hes in his 80s).
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5571/p1210168hz4.th.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8096/p1210169jx7.th.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9735/p1210174dy1.th.jpg


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

william wrote:

Yeah - I was curious if this said anything about the likely date (or method) of production.

I am not sure about that.

william wrote:

Did you get to watch (or even video) much actual pot making in Yixing?

I did get to see a bunch of people working on their pots. Many of the artists have their workshops (or at least a small work area) inside their tea pot shops so they can work whenever they have no customers. I was with someone who would constantly ask loud and stupid questions to the potters as they worked and also bump their arms and while they didn't seem to mind, this sort of behavior makes me very angry because I hate when people do this when I work on something. For this reason I couldn't enjoy watching most of the time. But I did get to see lots of parts of the process. I got to see hammering out of clay, spout being attached, lids at all different stages, and how to put Chops in all different parts of the pot. I think most people who put chops on the inside walls of their pot do it while the wall is still flat. My travel buddy tried to tell them how he would put the chop in there after the pot was completed. Some were receptive, some less.

Often it is impossible to watch a pot being made all the way through. Especially with handmade pots, certain parts of the pot are completed and then allowed to dry overnight before being completed.

Unfortunately I did not take any videos. I should have, I know. But hopefully there will be a next time.

红焙浅瓯新火活,龙团小碾斗晴窗

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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

Since I already took the photos (for the Teachat gaiwan contest) -- plus some exclusive outtakes.


http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/1-1.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/1-2.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/1-3.jpg

http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/2-1.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/2-2.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/2-3.jpg

http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/3-1.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/3-2.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/3-3.jpg

An old pic my gf took of that one with some rose blossom / goji berry tea in it:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2136/2065358616_46868835a0.jpg?v=0


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35 (edited by brandon 2009-02-01 13:21:28)

Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

Heartbreak averted. Picked up another zini shui ping at Tea Gallery yesterday. The imperfection seen on the bottom is the remnants of a sticker.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3447/3243366023_156a789b8c.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3393/3243373499_16bdbab0e6.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3244195094_8b3e73f169.jpg


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

william wrote:

Since I already took the photos (for the Teachat gaiwan contest) -- plus some exclusive outtakes.


http://veggiechinese.net/gaiwan_contest/1-1.jpg

An old pic my gf took of that one with some rose blossom / goji berry tea in it:

The poem on the lid of the first gaiwan is one of my favorite!
The rosebud picture is very beautiful. The brilliant california sunshine!

門前塵土三千丈,不到薰爐茗碗旁

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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

biloba wrote:

The poem on the lid of the first gaiwan is one of my favorite!

Care to enlighten those of us who can't read it? And from the parts you can see, can you tell what's on the body of the gaiwan itself?


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

I can never get enough shui pings, somehow.

This one is ostensibly 80s, with a "2" seal under the lid and a narrow 22 character seal on the bottom. It's about 100 ml, so I think it's a 6 cup pot... I'm guessing the clay is some sort of qing shui ni.

I'll get some better closeups of the bottom seal and lid seal. As you can probably make out in the shot of the bottom, the whole bottom seal is pressed in very lightly, and at the top, it's basically not there at all. Also, note the slightly uneven clay color, and the dark splotch on the lid in the second picture. Not sure whether that's a stubborn stain or part of the clay itself. The texture of the clay is very smooth and pleasant to the touch.

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http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_3qing_yin1.jpghttp://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_3qing_yin2.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_3qing_yin3.jpg


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

Hexagonal / 6-sided (六方) hong ni 瓜形 texture pot, about 160 ml. These pictures don't really do the clay texture justice, so I'll try to take some better ones later. Natural light.

http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/hex4.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_hex1.jpg
http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_hex2.jpghttp://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_hex3.jpg


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40 (edited by brandon 2009-02-02 10:39:54)

Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

william wrote:

Also, note the slightly uneven clay color, and the dark splotch on the lid in the second picture. Not sure whether that's a stubborn stain or part of the clay itself. The texture of the clay is very smooth and pleasant to the touch.

http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_3qing_yin2.jpg

I am having a very difficult time getting a close up photo, but I have some dark spots on a new YS pot (same hong ni as Thanks has posted). Do you find any dark spots, Thanks?


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41 (edited by biloba 2009-02-03 02:10:58)

Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

william wrote:
biloba wrote:

The poem on the lid of the first gaiwan is one of my favorite!

Care to enlighten those of us who can't read it? And from the parts you can see, can you tell what's on the body of the gaiwan itself?

The story is simple in this poem. But I am afraid all poetic sense will be lost in my poor interpretation :-p
Here is what it says:
Titile: 问刘十九
Title: A question to Liu 19 (this person was called Liu 19 because his last name was Liu and he was the 19th son of his family)

绿蚁新醅酒,红泥小火炉。
Warmed on the little red clay stove, the newly made green wine is bubbling.

晚来天欲雪,能饮一杯无?
It's getting late and will snow soon. Would you please stay and have a cup of wine with me?

I see another poem that is a very popular one, 登鹳鹊楼 On top of the Stork-Magpie Building (ha, that's a weird building name)
白日依山尽,黄河入海流。
The white sun is setting off toward the mountains. Yellow River is running toward the ocean.

欲穷千里目, 更上一层楼。
Going up one more floor, you will have scene of a thousand miles in your eyes.

This is a poem in primary school textbook so everyone in China is supposed to know it :D

There seems a third poem on your gaiwan, but I can't tell what it is. Or it is the artist's signature? Since there may be no space for a third poem :D

門前塵土三千丈,不到薰爐茗碗旁

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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

This is a poem in primary school textbook so everyone in China is supposed to know it

Oh! Even I know that one (the second one). It's in my Mandarin textbook.

Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

LaoChaGui, I REALLY like your celadon teaware. Celadon-colored teaware is my favorite kind. I just got a handmade Celadon tea pitcher made from Dehua clay that I'll post in a few weeks.  I find it to be quite special and it makes tea taste smoother. 

Will, I didn't know you had so many pots.  The camel chop is so unique. 

Wes, your new pot that was aged in Factory 1 has a smell that I really like in my pots - great.  And you used it to drink my favorite tea - aged oolong.

Awesome stuff guys!


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq28 … MG0012.jpg


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq281/cuppalover/RIMG0012.jpg


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq281/cuppalover/RIMG0013.jpg

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq281/cuppalover/RIMG0014-1.jpg

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq281/cuppalover/RIMG0015.jpg


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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

Got the cups and teapot from 'The Best Tea House'

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k476/orguz/067-1.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k476/orguz/073-1-1.jpg


They may have been pricey, but I didn't want to return empty handed from Hong Kong :p

I tried sipping water from several old and new cups, the old cups do impart smoothness and sweetness to water, as for the pot "yixing,china" chop 70/80's, it feels heavy and even (?) and raised already, there were other ones but I fancied this one most, just had to have it. I bought a porcelain cup holder plate, drip collector, waste bowl, tea boat, and another teapot   


I found out later that on the night I purchased my pots a Teachat member bought another pair of old cups which were offered to me just before he arrived, which were 400HKD cheaper than mine and larger too. I declined buying them because I hadn't done the water tasting yet, my cups were bought later on the last day of my trip (Sunday, April 19th).

There are a few stores that I later found out are run by the family of K.S. LO, late owner of Vitasoy Hong Kong and the donor of antique teapots for the flagstaff teapot/ware museum. I heard that a N.American tea store ordered a bunch of tea ware items from them recently, perhaps that's why I found nothing when looking for a certain tea boat for William.

Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

Thanks for posting these. The teacups look exquisite. Feel free to post more glamour shots from different angles, chops etc. Congratulations on an excellent purchase.

红焙浅瓯新火活,龙团小碾斗晴窗

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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

RTea wrote:

LaoChaGui, I REALLY like your celadon teaware. Celadon-colored teaware is my favorite kind. I just got a handmade Celadon tea pitcher made from Dehua clay that I'll post in a few weeks.  I find it to be quite special and it makes tea taste smoother. 

...

Thanks a lot for the nice comment. I never noticed it before just now. The other think I noticed just now is that you promised to post your celadon, and its still not up! A little off topic, but I can't access your web log any more from China since your URL changed.

I have been thinking for a long time about going to Longquan (龙泉) which is the celadon capital of the world as far as I understand. I'd like to see more celadon up here, and maybe a thread about celadon from different areas if anyone has any expertise. (I don't ;)

红焙浅瓯新火活,龙团小碾斗晴窗

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Re: Show Off Your Chinese Teaware

brandon wrote:
william wrote:

Also, note the slightly uneven clay color, and the dark splotch on the lid in the second picture. Not sure whether that's a stubborn stain or part of the clay itself. The texture of the clay is very smooth and pleasant to the touch.

http://veggiechinese.net/teadrunk/TN_3qing_yin2.jpg

I am having a very difficult time getting a close up photo, but I have some dark spots on a new YS pot (same hong ni as Thanks has posted). Do you find any dark spots, Thanks?

Sorry it took me so long to respond, I just noticed this post!

No, I have not noticed any dark spots. Are you talking similar ones to William's pot? On the chips I can tell that the inside of the clay is darker, yours might have had an issue where the outside was sanded off in some parts after firing perhaps? Only explanation I could think of, really.